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The GOTP's Humpty Dumpty conspiracy, a war 'with' words :viewpoint

Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:34 PM EST
politics, president, abortion, nature, santorum, pro-life, pro-choice, graham, contraceptives
By Coral Atlas

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Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

Words have always been and will remain the most powerful weapon of humans.

Simple words like "charge" or "stop" or "fire" or "help" ... "I love you" ... "I hate you"

or perhaps ..... "I don't know if he's a Christian" or "He's the most dangerous President we've ever had" or "His theology is strange and evil" or "that ape in the white house"

It is because of the use and misuse of words that humanity is in such disarray. The meaning and purpose of words is constantly changing ... influenced by what is spoken and what is heard. But most of all by whom writes them and speaks them.

Listeners bear responsibility also ... for believing what they want to hear rather than the truth.

So it is in American politics that we have some who falsely questions the validity of others ... but even more insidiously they question what we each hear and the meaning to each of us personally. Most of us succumb to friendly persuasion ... the mind bending psycho words broadcast by the corporate owned, sponsored and managed media.

The general populace is perpetually confused while waiting with baited breath for the end of the commercial break and what lies on the other end  ... in no small way our state of mind is thanks to OUR neglect of the public school system and the need for most Americans to work long hours to make ends meet. Who has time to learn or think? ... or the opportunity to learn and think for ourselves no less! The populace at large are forced into labor aka forced labor aka slaves  - working to survive - living from paycheck to paycheck - financial slaves.

This is not happen chance, but by design. There are reasons most children aren't given the opportunity to climb the social ladder. Those plutocrats at the top won't say it ... but they have decided there is not enough room! Concerns about race and ethnicity have prevented the contruction and improvement of an adequate social safety net and social ladders. The ruling minority have their private schools and universities and the means to pay for them.

Education has always been the ONLY major barrier to real democracy.

How many of us know and feel the pain of the finite innuendos of such words as "pro-life" and "pro-choice" for example. We leave it to others who profess to be experts to tell us the meaning .... in this case religious leaders - but lately politicians as well. What about unemployment and welfare .... ? are these words a stigma should we not be concerned about the unemployed and those who depend on welfare?

Many of us trust the false words we hear each day  - we are too tired to think .. the barrage of words we listen too each day is over-whelming. It is easier for many to relinquish understanding the truth to what others tell us to think. We are not a democracy when we cease to think for ourselves ... but we should be and could be. Vote.

In 2012 we are confused because some religious leaders are blending in theocracy with the management of our Government .... which is OUR institution meant to protect US from each other and not prevent us from sin or tell us how to pray or for whom to pray.

Where does the public domain end and the private domain begin? Within our minds.

What role do social issues play as opposed to religious issues .... and what about the social sciences such as economics.

Is economics a false science that has failed humanity?

I say yes. Economics as we know it assumes that nature is up for grabs first come first serve .... and somehow if their is a God  - I beleive that ws not the plan for human beings.

I found the following to address the issue of the misuse and abuse of words in a poignant way:

 

Humpty appears in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass (1872), where he discusses semantics and pragmatics with Alice.   

“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’ ” Alice said.   

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’ ”   

“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.   

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”   

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”   

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master .... that’s all.”   

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.

“They’ve a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they’re the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!”

 

All of this verbosity reminds me of the GOTP debates and candidates or more accurately the words of the GOTP remind me just how words can be abused, misused and damaging.

I don't personally believe in religion either as a social issue or a social science  ... and even more so feel strongly that economics is a false social science and anti-thetical to the very tenets of all religion but even more so human decency.

Economics as we humans know it on earth is inherently evil and profoundly unfair.

These are my words. How powerful are they? Only time can tell the truth. Nature belongs to all of us.

 

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Coral Atlas

In the end the GOTP candidates are all going to have egg on their faces ;-) and the GOTP party will not be able to be put together again! ;-)

  • 9 votes
#1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:36 PM EST
bonos_rama

going after women might have been the straw that broke Humpty's back!

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:56 PM EST
Mike-1499840

Coral,

Your article did contain a germ of truth....the redefinition of terms is harming our political discourse....Liberals are the absolute best at this form of prevarication:

Drop in the Tax Rate/People Keeping More of What is theirs in the first place = "Tax Expenditure."

Murder = "Choice.

stealing money from me to pay for free contraception= "Safeguarding Women's health."

Someone Who is More successful than I am = "Greedy."

I am too lazy to compete= "It's not FAIR!"

And as a minor aside...there is no such thing as "GOTP." That term is a product of your imagination.

    #1.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:39 PM EST
    Coral Atlas

    Grand Old Teapublican Party

    GOTP ;-)

    • 9 votes
    #1.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:48 PM EST
    Mike-1499840

    As I thought....no such thing. TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already). Consists of Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Facts are stubborn things. Feelings are for girls.

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:54 PM EST
    Coral Atlas

    Facts are stubborn things. Feelings are for girls.

    I'm sure Santorum would agree with your position on women. ;-)

    • 6 votes
    #1.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:29 PM EST
    bloozbro

    Feelings are for girls.

    Wrong...feelings are for all human beings; that is what makes us human!

    • 7 votes
    #1.6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM EST
    FlyingEnergy

    TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already). Consists of Republicans, Democrats and Independents.

    The teaparty is the extreme right wing of the Republican party. I'm sure there are no Democrats in the tea-party. It's exclusively Republicans and Libertarians.

    I own a business, my wife owns a business, we are both democrats. Does that surprise you? Some of us choose to accept science over superstition, so we believe choice is not murder.

    • 6 votes
    #1.7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:37 PM EST
    Coral Atlas

    well said Flying

    • 3 votes
    #1.8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:30 PM EST
    Robert in Ohio

    Flying Energy and Coral

    The Washington Post gathered a number of polls to pin down the size of the Democratic minority of the Tea Party:

    The Winston Group, a GOP polling firm, last year showed that 13 percent of tea partyers [sic] were Democrats; Gallup put the number at 15 percent.

    On the lower end, the number was 9 percent in a TargetPoint poll and just 4 percent in a CNN-Opinion Research poll.

    More recently, a poll for Resurgent Republic, a Republican-aligned conglomerate of pollsters and consultants, showed that 11 percent of those who viewed the tea party favorably were Democrats. (That’s not an ideal measure, of course, since one need not be a tea party member to view it favorably.)

    With an average hovering at around 10% of the Tea Party being composed of Democrats, the group is a small but significant minority.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2011/07/07/open-thread-tea-party-democrats

    SO it seems there are Democrats in the Tea Party after all

      #1.9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:43 PM EST
      tt16

      Mike, the US is a union. You are a Union member. You have no Right to not pay your Union Dues. You WILL pay those dues. We elect leaders to make the rules. You WILL follow those rules, they apply to everyone. But you can have your opinion as can everyone else.

      • 1 vote
      #1.10 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:29 PM EST
      FlyingEnergy

      Robert in Ohio,

      I have participated in polls where I have said I am a Republican, does that make me one? No. some people lie in order to further a perceived notion around their agenda. Judging by the tea party's often highly exaggerated claims and over the top hate for Obama, I would probably be safe in saying those polled probably lied.

      • 3 votes
      #1.11 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:51 PM EST
      Robert in Ohio

      Flying Energy

      Why of course they did!

      No other way to explain it is there????

      Multiple polls, of different groups of people and those that identify themselves as democrats lied in each poll.

      Of course that must be it.

      Thanks for clearing that up

        #1.12 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:11 PM EST
        FlyingEnergy

        Right, if there are registered democrats in the tea party, then they have no Idea what the tea party stands for or what it means to be a democrat. The ideologies are so far separated that no real democrat could associate with them unless they have a racial agenda. The tea party's political agenda is absolutely in conflict with democratic values. Sorry.

        1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.

        2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.

        (we agree on this, but the path to this is quite different.)

        3. A strong military is essential.

        (this is bi-partisan, however many democrats wouldn't list this as a top priority, we aren't the worlds bully.)

        4. Special interests must be eliminated.

        (this is a liberal idea, however tea party favorite Eric Cantor doesn't see this as being necessary, so I don't see how they think they are being represented in that area.)

        5. Gun ownership is sacred.

        (Bi-partisan issue)

        6. Government must be downsized.

        7. The national budget must be balanced.

        (anybody with a clue about the deficit can tell you, tea-party favorites have no idea how to accomplish this..)

        8. Deficit spending must end.

        (Bi partisan)

        9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.

        10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.

        11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.

        12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.

        (They are, people only vote for who they see on tv, Bi partisan)

        13. Intrusive government must be stopped.

        (This is why we think the Tea-party is on the crazy train.)

        14. English as our core language is required.

        (Racism, pure and simple)

        15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
        (who's family values are they talking about?)

        • 1 vote
        #1.13 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:48 PM EST
        Robert in Ohio

        Flying Energy

        You seem to know a lot about the agenda

        Are you one of THOSE democrats?

          #1.14 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:03 PM EST
          FlyingEnergy

          I usually learn about something before forming an opinion about it.

          • 2 votes
          #1.15 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:17 PM EST
          Robert in Ohio

          Flying Energy

          So did you get your ID Card first or did you have ot learn the handshake first

            #1.16 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:25 PM EST
            Coral Atlas

            So let me see Robert ..... your logic is what?

            Someone who votes tea party is a democrat?

            What you vote is what you are .... which changes. When you vote democrat your a democrat when you vote teapublican aka GOTP you are GOTP. When you vote your conscience you are independent.

            Conservatives are not ipso facto members of the GOTP not are progressives automatically democrats.

            The make up of the voters changes each and every election based on the candidates positions and the voters beliefs. Too few Americans have their own beliefs based on common sense and decency.

            Instead we accept the labels we are given - stamped on our backs by the corporate owned media.

            Voting one way or another is not a birth mark .... and you don't become something your not because of whom you vote for ... or labels you are given.

            We should do away with much of the political horse-@!$%# that relies on custom and habit and coerces voters not to think about what they truly believe in or are voting for ... rather than what labels they have been given.

            The GOTP debates have been enlightening in so far as the lack of enlightenment! ;-)

            Teapublicans are what they say they are at the moment .... which is members of the GOTP

            the Grand Old Teapublican Party.

            If you think you are a democrat or a teapublican then what you think at any moment is what you are at that moment ...

            I am a first generation Barack Obanian ;-) others may be Newtists, Paulists, Sanitoriums or Romnians

            and when it comes to politics we are all Stupidians. ;-)

              #1.17 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:26 AM EST
              Robert in Ohio

              Coral

              As usual you make assumptions based not on a comment I make but on, well who knows on what.

              I did say or infer that people that

              Someone who votes tea party is a democrat?

              SO I do not know where that came from, we were discussing that there are democrats in the tea party movement that is all.

              I vote for Democrats and Republicans (and occasionally third party candidates) in every election since I can remember, so conservatives are not ipso facto members of the Republican Party (no such organization as the GOTP exists in case you didn't know it).

              You can accept labels people put on you, but I choose not to, just as I choose to not be a victim.

              BarackObanian :-) sounds a little like a cult and it explains a lot.

              I can agree that there is a little stupid in everyone,

                #1.18 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:43 PM EST
                Coral Atlas

                You are what you vote. ;-)

                  #1.19 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:55 PM EST
                  Robert in Ohio

                  Coral

                  I guess I am just an American then, because I vote for candidates of various party affiliations and some with no party affiliation at all.

                  I certainly do not need to be part of a cult, to have a political identity

                  :-o)

                    #1.20 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:50 PM EST
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                    Robert in Ohio

                    Coral

                    Reports of the imminent demise of the Republican Party, as they have been in the past, ar premature at this time.

                    My compliments (no fooling totally sincere here) on the artful use of the Humpty Dumpty doalogue in your article.

                    It really works

                    Voted up.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:58 PM EST
                    Coral Atlas

                    Thanks Robert ... there's an important message for all of us as well ...

                    let's stop the silliness and put our country AND our planet back together again! ;-)

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:09 PM EST
                    Robert in Ohio

                    Coral

                    There are some cracks but the "egg" has not yet shattered and can still be repaired.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:04 PM EST
                    Coral Atlas

                    Americans want the wealthy "nest eggs" shattered not repaired.

                    Most Americans have no nest eggs .. they've been stuck in a crowded chicken coop. ;-)

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:47 PM EST
                    Robert in Ohio

                    Coral

                    Check out the average net wealth in the attached; lots of folks have a lot and some only a little but there seems to be more nest eggs than you portray.

                    The disparity from top and bottom should be narrowed, destroying a nest egg of someone else does not create one for you.

                    The recession has certainly eaten into nest eggs in this country, but we (the country) will be back on track and saving for the future again

                      #3.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:53 AM EST
                      Lynn-410457

                      Coral Atlas, That is a concept that the GOPT totally reject. For some reason, eventhough its all around them they think everyone is doing well or that if they aren't its their own damn fault. They still believe in this country, thats its possible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, even if the GOPT is saying no to each and every attempt and standing on them with their obstructionism. They blind themselves to this willingly. That is the real world in 2012!

                      • 2 votes
                      #3.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:14 AM EST
                      Robert in Ohio

                      Coral

                      Forgot the link

                      http://www.moneyrelationship.com/retirement/the-average-net-worth-of-americans-where-do-you-stand/

                        #3.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:12 PM EST
                        Coral Atlas

                        Robert - you need to remove the 1% from the averages to get the "real feel"

                        40% of americans are living in poverty robert ...... compute that ....

                        • 2 votes
                        #3.6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:34 PM EST
                        Robert in Ohio

                        Coral

                        The link I have you gave the average "wealth" of the various income levels

                        So I guess my response is read the data, it is presented by income age group

                        Your comment #3.2 said that most Americans have no nest egg and this data refutes that

                        The average wealth (nest egg) varies by age group, but it exists

                        If you extract the 1% or the lowest income groups, the averages are distorted.

                          #3.7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:50 PM EST
                          Coral Atlas

                          And when you include the 1% they are not? ;-)

                            #3.8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:33 AM EST
                            Robert in Ohio

                            Coral

                            No because when you include everyone you get the true averages for the entire population.

                            That is the math works

                              #3.9 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST
                              Coral Atlas

                              Your math entails hiding the stark truth.

                                #3.10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:56 PM EST
                                Robert in Ohio

                                Coral

                                And yours distorts the reality of the situation

                                  #3.11 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:51 PM EST
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                                  mstanley2265

                                  American people were sort of used to politicians saying one thing and then doing another when they got elected. However, they walked a fine line, they didn't cross it.

                                  Historically, I've never seen so many politicians on a Federal level, cross that line since Nixon though some may well be right to add more to that list prior to 2010. This is especially for the Republican party. Their legislation speaks for itself and that is exactly where the public will know for sure what they intend.

                                  All the speeches are talk, but when they put their words in writing, there is no way they can back off of them. The legislation in the Thomas Library of Congress on down to the state legislators speaks Volumes on their intent to focus on women's rights and voting rights. Also, a lot more nonsense nothing that will ever justify their time in their respective legislators nor their salary and benefits.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:31 PM EST
                                  Coral Atlas

                                  The way things are shopping up a handful of GOTP billionaires are pulling all the strings ... in fact they may be illegally doing so ... since PAC's may be prohibited from working together.

                                  I would NOT be surprised if a lot of these GOTP PAC's are meeting secretly with the Koch Brothers at their periodic planning meetings to take over the nation. This would likely be a Federal crime subject to severe penalties and punishment.

                                  Meetings that GOTP members of the SCOTUS have attended!!!!!!

                                  The way things are going the GOTP will be banning female children like China does - to reduce opposition to their policies! ;-)

                                  As it is they are overtly working on suppressing votes this November and busting unions which are a source of campaign donations for democrats! ;-)

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:54 PM EST
                                  Mike-1499840

                                  The way things are going the GOTP will be banning female children like China does - to reduce opposition to their policies! ;-)

                                  Actually, with the Liberals continuing government sanctioned murder (abortion), the Liberal percentage of our population will continue to decrease thus making it a self correcting problem.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:00 PM EST
                                  Coral Atlas

                                  It's a well known fact that liberals are very generous and contribute much more to sperm banks! ;-)

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #6.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:25 PM EST
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                                  Becks72

                                  I was raised to believe that "My rights end where your nose begins" It can be applied to religion, politics or just day to day life. Those that want to enter my bedroom or living room do so at their own peril. I detest the bible thumpers that want to tell me how to live. My message to them is simple your God is not my God and I will thank you to take yours and shove it were the sun doesn't shine. Evangelistic zealots give Christianity a bad name and are anything but Christ like.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:24 AM EST
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