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Catholic leaders to flock - we won't let you sin! :viewpoint

Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST
politics, church, state
By Coral Atlas

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Can a Catholic husband force his wife not to use contraceptives?

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  • 175666
    Yes
    38%
  • 175667
    No - but some do!
    19%
  • 175668
    Definitely not!
    37%
  • 175669
    Where's the rug - give me a broom!
    6%

VoteTotal Votes: 63

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Should the Church prevent you from sinning?

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  • 175661
    Yes
    36%
  • 175662
    No
    31%
  • 175663
    Definitely not!
    33%

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Is it a women's choice or the Church's choice. How desperate is the Catholic leadership for publicity? Might they get more than they bargained for?

I find the current attempt by the GOTP to use contraception as a political argument the mother of all hoaxes attempted against Americans and most of all catholics.

The Catholic leaders are not far behind in a desperate attempt to add meaning to a floundering religion with scandal after scandal right on up to the Vatican.

Is our Government attempting to provide fair, affordable and equal access to contraceptives? or attempting to cause catholics to sin?

Many in this nation who are anti-government bordering on anarchists jump on this issue like white on rice. None more so than the GOTP and Fox.

In fact one could make a strong argument that Catholic leaders are trampling on the rights of those who consider themselves catholics ... although the number of catholics who don't use contraceptives is in the range of 2%!

Catholics have the right to sin  ... and pay the price if they do. That is what confessionals and collection boxes and tithes are for - to seek forgiveness ... perhaps even to buy forgiveness.

Will Catholics fall for this ploy?

Not most catholic women.

Which raises the question ... are women like Rick Santorum's wife being abused by their husbands religious beliefs or are they her own?

In her case I don't know and unless women speak out we will never know ... but that is a personal issue like abortion ... the question still remains .. is it a women's choice or the Church's choice?

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Coral Atlas

It's my life and I'll sin of I want too!

The truth is that the real sinners on this planet are those in power with all the wealth and who make the biggest noise about everyone else.

Most of us can't afford to sin let alone find the time to sin! Too busy struggling to stay alive!!!! ;-)

Sins are a commodity for the hyper-rich ...... just like the politicians they think they can buy the rights to heaven! ;-)

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:56 AM EST
CommisarCain

Most of us can't afford to sin let alone find the time to sin!

You can be dirt poor and still sin.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:02 PM EST
lib50

What IS sin? That is often very subjective. And nobody's business unless it infringes on somebody else's rights.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST
RI Mom

Moses got God's list of sins ...and none of the ten commandments includes contraception

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:09 PM EST
Sincerus

One thing I find most peculiar about organized religion is this......

God blessed each and every one of us with FREE WILL. The right to choose. He could have created us as mindless robots, sin free --- but did not.

Why then, do religions try to force their version of morality down the throats of others? Shouldn't they be teaching and trying to lead by example? Trying to change people with persuasion and not force?

A man chooses, A slave obeys.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:58 PM EST
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bob-1478320

Americans also have the right to make their own decisions regarding many issues,such as how they obtain and pay for healtcare and whether or not to purchase insurance. The government, well at least Obama and the dems have decided people can not make their own decisions or the right to make wrong decisions(hmm almost like the right to sin?)

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST
Colonial82

The government, well at least Obama and the dems have decided people can not make their own decisions or the right to make wrong decisions(hmm almost like the right to sin?)

bob,

Since when do employees have the right to make their own decisions on their own health-care insurance? It is the companies that make the decisions for you. Plus, just because your insurance covers a certain item, it does not mean you have to use it. So if you don't want to "sin", then don't sin because the government isn't making your use it. I don't agree with invitro and Viagra but my insurance covers it and I don't use it. It is not my right to take that choice away from others. I didn't agree with the Iraq War but I still had to pay for it with my tax dollars, but that is just how things work.

Have a good day.

  • 8 votes
#2.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:13 PM EST
JBURNS-1894015

Blah, Blah, Blah. Bob.

You cry Obama and the Dem's have decided people can not make their own decisions. A religious group, Catholics, are telling women they are forbidden to use birth control if they choose.

Catholicism is a religion. This pious group of men who proclaim they are the only group allowed to worship God and dictate how and what mere mortals will believe or think. They are pedophiles.

M personal rights are being diminished because of religious persecution from the Catholic Church. This paranoid group of MEN, teach it is a SIN for women to use tampons. How freaking sick is that!!!!!

These hypocrits portray themselves as godly because they proclaim a life of chastity. They are so riddled with pent up sexual desire, just like mere mortals, that they rape little boys. They are born into this world no different than any other person. It is time to end the hypocrisy of this scam religion. I am thankful that I have the right to converse with God without some middle man.

The whole thing is morally disgusting. Absolutely no MAN on this Earth has the right to pass judgement on another. A murderer is forgiven with 2 Hail Mary's and 3 Lord's Prayer. A person will be allowed to have a 15 year marriage annulled, so they aren't committing a sin against God, by sending a $10,000 check to Rome. Sit in a box and confess your sins to a guy who may have spent the time before confession raping a little kid.

The Catholic Church wants to know where all the faithful have gone? To a religion that isn't based on paranoia, that allows personal choice without the threat of damnation for all eternity, and one that will celebrate life and the basic goodness in people rather than being told you are nothing more than sinners throughout all your life and at the end, only some mortal will say if the person is worthy of going to Heaven. Based on all the sins committed by Catholics, perhaps there are as many as the priests proclaim to be in Heaven.

Bob, you are obviously one of those Godly Christians who will commit all types of ugliness against humanity while on this Earth and thinks everything will be just find when a man stands before you and says all is forgiven.

  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:45 PM EST
lib50

This is about religions infringement on individual rights.

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:37 PM EST
Angelo Belcher

That sounds like a bunch of FOX news horse@!$%#! If people shouldn't be forced to obtain healthcare so that the overall cost to the rest of us is lower/cheaper, then why don't we apply that rationale to auto insurance. You see, all the retarded thinking and musing about the healthcare law amounts to ignorant cherry-picking. Why do people except forced car insurance and balk at the same concept with regards to healthcare? And screw religion, and especially the Catholic church! That stuff makes even less sense than any man made problems, especially when you put under the microscope ALL the atrocities committed by the church, screw them! Science trumps religion, without it we would be all be still considered middle aged by 25 and dead by 45, and considered ancient by 55 (providing you are still alive).

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:17 PM EST
bob-1478320


JBURNS-1894015
nope as a matter of fact I am an atheist and I don't think that either a religion or the government has the right to tell me I can't make a decision regarding my own health care

Colonial82
who is talking about companies? I can make a decision not to have insurance from a company I work for. I am not required to have insurance and my decision not to does not stop anyone else from having insurance.

    #2.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:18 PM EST
    Colonial82

    Colonial82
    who is talking about companies? I can make a decision not to have insurance from a company I work for. I am not required to have insurance and my decision not to does not stop anyone else from having insurance.

    Bob,

    It is very simple. A majority of Americans get their insurance through their jobs. Their jobs are the ones that decide what will and will not be covered under their plans. Therefore, companies make the decisions for most of us and we don't get to make the decisions.

    Have a good day.

    • 3 votes
    #2.6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:35 PM EST
    bob-1478320

    yes they do but it is still their choice whether or not they elect to particpate in the plan if they don't like the decisions the companies make for them, they can either buy an individual policy or decide to not have a health insurance policy. They have that much free will and they are not charged a penalty if they decide to opt out of the company coverage,unlike Obamacare

    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:41 PM EST
    Reply
    Luther28

    Well Mr. Santorums backer Friess seems to have a solution, "just have females hold an aspirin between their knees, it's cheap". When I heard this comment I was as shocked as Andrea Mitchell the interviewer.

    Her rebuttal should have been: If you can find your little wanker, why not stretch it to the point were you can tie it in a knot, it's cheap and effective.

    • 6 votes
    #3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:31 PM EST
    Coral Atlas

    Foster Friess is now a poster boy for GOTP vasectomies! ;-)

    • 7 votes
    #3.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST
    hvymtl83Deleted
    dirtyharriet1010

    "just have females hold an aspirin between their knees"

    I am in my mid sixties and have heard about this form of "birth control" for over 50 years.

    • 3 votes
    #3.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:12 PM EST
    Coral Atlas

    ;-0

    • 2 votes
    #3.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:16 PM EST
    Colonial82

    just have females hold an aspirin between their knees

    I am in my mid sixties and have heard about this form of "birth control" for over 50 years.

    dirtyharriet,

    Or how about men keep it in their pants? It takes two to tango.

    Have a good day.

    • 6 votes
    #3.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:21 PM EST
    dirtyharriet1010

    Colonial82

    At the time I am talking about getting pregnant was still considered the woman's fault.

    Maybe I was ahead of my time but even back in the late 1950's, when I was a teenager, I thought it was a 50/50 proposition.

    I was also being sarcastic. Didn't you see the quotation marks?

    I was also saying the aspirin "birth control" method has been around for a very long time.

    • 5 votes
    #3.6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:30 PM EST
    Colonial82

    I was also being sarcastic. Didn't you see the quotation marks?

    dirtyharriet,

    I am sorry, I missed that you were being sarcastic. I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Have a good day.

    • 6 votes
    #3.7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:09 PM EST
    dirtyharriet1010

    Colonial82

    No problem. :)

    • 5 votes
    #3.8 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:13 PM EST
    Angelo Belcher

    I have a solution, how about everybody over the age of 50 just die already, so the younger smarter generations can take over? Really? Aspirin as birth control? How ignorant (or old) does one have to be to believe that nonsense?

    • 2 votes
    #3.9 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:32 PM EST
    A radicial ideaDeleted
    Coral Atlas

    I fully expect to be collapsed and or deleted.

    your wish is granted ;-)

    • 3 votes
    #3.11 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:53 PM EST
    A radicial idea

    This is the first time I have been deleted sice I been on the vine (six years) but I just had to say it.

    Sorry :-)

    • 3 votes
    #3.12 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:22 PM EST
    dirtyharriet1010

    Angelo Belcher

    I have a solution, how about everybody over the age of 50 just die already, so the younger smarter generations can take over? Really? Aspirin as birth control? How ignorant (or old) does one have to be to believe that nonsense?

    I guess you are really really young.Since you obviously don't get it or know the WHOLE thing I'll try to educate you...........................

    "The best form of birth control is for the woman to put an aspirin between her knees and don't let it drop"

    Does it make more sense now? My children, who are in their 30's got it so did my co-worker who just turned 25.

    So Angelo this older dumber person just taught you something.

    • 4 votes
    #3.13 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:08 PM EST
    merleliz

    Well Mr. Santorums backer Friess seems to have a solution, "just have females hold an aspirin between their knees, it's cheap". When I heard this comment I was as shocked as Andrea Mitchell the interviewer.

    Except that's not what he said.

    Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?

    Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/santorum-backer-friess-gals-used-to-put-aspirin-between-their-knees-for-contraception.php

    It was a joke...a very old and extremely poor one, but he wasn't serious about it, he was going for a laugh.

    I first heard that one on Johnny Carson if I remember correctly...about 20 years ago.

    It's only the political spin and bad taste of the joke that is making it such a shocking statement...if you listen to the clip you can easily realize it was not meant seriously.

    Still stupid...but it was a joke, not a suggestion.

      #3.14 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:52 PM EST
      Sincerus

      I have a solution, how about everybody over the age of 50 just die already, so the younger smarter generations can take over? Really? Aspirin as birth control? How ignorant (or old) does one have to be to believe that nonsense?

      With age comes wisdom. Let the sound bite generation take over and push grannie off the cliff? Doesn't seem like much of a solution to me. Don't be such a hater! Sheesh, go talk to some older people and maybe you will learn something.

      • 2 votes
      #3.15 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:08 PM EST
      Angelo Belcher

      Merleitz, sorry but I do get it and its STILL not funny OR any of anybody else' business! You see, we have as a nation, have already gone through a sexual revolution and we are not going to turn back the hands of time to please others. Mind your own business and don't worry about others! By the way, im 46 and fully understand that there is no way in hell that men should have ANY business telling a women what is best for them when it comes to THEIR reproductive organs. How about all the guys knocking up these women start being a little more responsible when it comes to carrying around contraceptives? The days of women being property and at the whims of men are long gone. If they want to have sex (and enjoy it without worrying about getting pregnant) that's their business. We live in a totally new world where the church, governments and people of past generations don't get to decide such matters.

        #3.16 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:47 PM EST
        Reply
        blue wolf

        I have a great solution to this whole thing and the Church has used it before with GREAT SUCCESS.

        All they need to do is re-institute the Sale Of Indulgences!!!!!!

        The girls get their contraception, the Church gets its MONEY (huh?) ........PRESTO everybody's happy :)

        • 9 votes
        Reply#4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:59 PM EST
        CommisarCain

        Is our Government attempting to provide fair, affordable and equal access to contraceptives? or attempting to cause catholics to sin?

        The Catholics are worried that the government will do the latter while trying to do the former.

          Reply#5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:01 PM EST
          Colonial82

          The Catholics are worried that the government will do the latter while trying to do the former.

          CommisarCain,

          I am a Catholic and my insurance covers it but I don't use it, therefore I am not sinning. No one is forcing anyone to use it. I am not worried about the government. Are you even a Catholic?

          Plus are you okay with the 10-15% of women that are on birth control because it is medically required to stop them for bleeding too much not getting their required medicine?

          Have a good day.

          • 7 votes
          #5.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:17 PM EST
          Reply
          Robert in Ohio

          Coral

          Welcome Back!!

          Free will is the basis of chirtianity, so as you point out we are each free to sin if we choose to and suffer the cosequences

          • 2 votes
          Reply#6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:02 PM EST
          JBURNS-1894015

          We are allowed free will as long as the GOTP tells us what our free will will be.

          • 5 votes
          #6.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:52 PM EST
          Robert in Ohio

          JBURNS

          Only if you allow yourself to be made a victim

          If you do that then you have indeed given up your free will

          • 2 votes
          #6.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:49 PM EST
          lib50

          Robert, we are fighting so we don't become victims and give up our free will.

          • 4 votes
          #6.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST
          Robert in Ohio

          lib50

          Only you can allow yourself to be a victim, no one can make you a victim, IMHO

          I choose not to be a victim

          Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame. ~Erica Jong

          A favorite quote of mine I think of it often

          Thanks for the feedback

          • 2 votes
          #6.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:02 PM EST
          Reply
          Beebobby

          If find it telling that the GOTP is worried about sharia law influences, but they are willing to bow down for a foreign religious leader while he injects his influence into the health care dialog. This wasn't an issue until it became part of the AHCA.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:03 PM EST
          Coral Atlas

          It seems the right wing posse has suddenly invaded the poll .... or perhaps the poll software does not work. Perhaps we need to issue id cards to prevent right wing voter fraud. ;-)

          as far as "free will" Robert ... you may have inadvertently hit the nail on the head "free" versus not free .... or a several hundred dollars a year sin tax for those who choose to use contraceptives! ;-)

          • 5 votes
          Reply#8 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST
          Robert in Ohio

          Coral

          Not exactly what I meant see comments above

            #8.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:04 PM EST
            merleliz

            It seems the right wing posse has suddenly invaded the poll .... or perhaps the poll software does not work. Perhaps we need to issue id cards to prevent right wing voter fraud. ;-)

            The poll isn't working, Coral...I voted, but after seeing the results and commenting, then reading this, I checked to see and I could vote again.

            FYI...I didn't vote twice, Coral, I posted to tell you about it...it's happened before on another seed of Viki Babbles Gonia, I reported it to her at the time.

            • 1 vote
            #8.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:57 PM EST
            Reply
            Tina-293371

            The first question was worded in a confusing way.

            Do you mean can he legally, or should he?

              Reply#9 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:29 PM EST
              GoldenGateMami_Susi

              Too late Sancta Mater Ecclesia. Too late.

              I suggest that if you want to excommunicate me you stand in line.

              :)

              • 4 votes
              Reply#10 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:41 PM EST
              Tina-293371

              Don't feel like the Lone Ranger, Susi.

              I have probably been excommunicated at least 5 times!

              • 3 votes
              #10.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:49 PM EST
              GoldenGateMami_Susi

              LOL me too

              • 4 votes
              #10.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:04 PM EST
              Reply
              A. Commentator

              Brothers and sisters in Christ, and those who consider themselves Catholic.

              Get out of that church now. That is not the way to your salvation. You are being misled.

              The Catholic leaders are not far behind in a desperate attempt to add meaning to a floundering religion with scandal after scandal right on up to the Vatican.

              Seriously, if this comment speaks to you, please email me. These are vipers now behind this generation of Catholic Church leadership.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#11 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST
              Coral Atlas

              I wonder how many were right wing men of the approximately 21 out of 49 (so far) who voted yes to:

              "Can a Catholic husband force his wife not to use contraceptives?"

              NOT me!!!!!!! ;-)

              This is 2012 not 1860 as Santorum would have it! ;-)

              • 2 votes
              Reply#12 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:43 PM EST
              merleliz

              Coral, the question is confusing. I think those who answered yes weren't saying it was right for him to be able to, just that it happens. Women understand these things. For example, I really hate movies about war and silly sitcoms...but my husband controls the remote...which explains why I am on Newsvine at this time of night.

              • 1 vote
              #12.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:59 PM EST
              Coral Atlas

              merleliz - you know I think you are right - and I think my other article poll suffers from the same coral atlas disconnect as well .... perhaps I underestimate just how brow beaten women still are - after all it's been going on since the cave men!!!!

              I don't understand the results ..... and thought is was just some right wing males trying to be cute

              but when you think of it - in this poll it may be an indication of just how much further women have to go subliminally to think of themselves as being other than chattel

              so grab that remote and tell your husband to go to bed or you will spank him!! ;-)

              ps: as for me - I am a male lesbian ... I love women and hate men ;-)

              • 2 votes
              #12.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:13 PM EST
              merleliz

              perhaps I underestimate just how brow beaten women still are - after all it's been going on since the cave men!!!!

              Well, in my case...I just don't care enough about TV to make an issue of it, while I am always worried that we are going to have to get the remote surgically removed from his wrist someday!

              • 2 votes
              #12.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:10 AM EST
              Coral Atlas

              ;-) ..... funny I've been told the same thing! ;-) I love to flip ....... cnn - msnbc - fox - hln and best of all the weather channel! ;-) but I'm on my computer 14 hours a day - newsvine is a diversion.

              • 2 votes
              #12.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:15 AM EST
              Reply
              Fed up with Republicans

              More news has broke about the sexual abuse scandal rocking the Catholic Church, the Bishop knew.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#13 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:10 PM EST
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